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Maybe it's b/c I live in a Dem state, but F 9/11's been showing without republican disclaimers or police surveillance since it's opening. I live near a theater.

The theater owner and police conduct is wierd and outrageous, though. Big Brother orwellian wierd.

80% of the film is childish, flimsy crap. Mr. Moore's points about Bush's foreign policy actions and motives are often contradictory, driven by distortions, and in the end simply intellectually unconvincing. The 20% of the film that focuses on Bush as elitist is far better. He should have made this the centerpiece. It is a huge mistake to invest so much in the Iraq war as an election issue. The Iraq war is certainly an issue, but even Vietnam was not enough to bring down Nixon in '72 (and those trying to draw historical parallels between the modern and Vietnam era anti-war movements need to actually read a bit more about the latter era). Bush can be beaten, but it is Bush the elitist at home rather than Bush the cowboy abroad that is vulnerable. And I will vote for Kerry.

Hope nobody flies an airplane in your front window soon.

My front window is still ok, thanx. However, my 47 year old uncle died in the 9/11 attack. His office was in the south tower. You might like to know that people of 14 different nations lost family members there, not just Americans. I am a pacifist and so is my uncle's wife who would never give her sons to a war just to seek blind revenge to an act of terror. When I stood in the candle light vigils in San Jose, CA, after the attack together with Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Americans, Non-Americans, gays, lesbians, young, and old, I had the hope and the vision that one day we all together might find a different solution to respond to the terror and killing in this world. I still have this hope because I believe in the spirit of the people who stood there with me. It's the spirit of Dr. Martin Luther King, Ghandi, and all the mothers on this globe who cry for the children who loose their lives in wars no matter which nationality they have. Violence will never be the right answer to violence no matter how many excuses can be found for it and no matter how many politicians want to tell me that I am wrong.

No offense to your uncle, I have lost several relatives in foreign conflicts myself, but the tired Bush bashing routines we're seeing won't solve the problems presented by MiddleEast fundamentalists with medieval attitudes and manhood issues. Where's the great Kerry solutions, more of the same? The French want to lead Europe and hope we'll do the dirty work. The U.N.'s letting Africa die of aids and genocide. Michael Moore's interview on Heston was pathetic and self serving. Any answers?

No, the tired Bush bashing routines won't solve the problems we in the rest of the world experience from the way the US tries to rule the planet. Only trying to address the culture of fear, the commitment to having rather than being, and the fear of freedom (Erich Fromm) that permeates life in the US at every point will do that. It's a big ask, however. Fromm offered his insightful analysis of the special US brand of Fundamentalism more than 60 years ago. Things have only gotten worse. But it is never too late to keep tying. US Fundamentalism is the biggest people killer and window breaker in the history of humankind -- by a long long way.

Blaming "USFundamentalism" is a clever idea, but all the people I know in the US don't fear freedom at all, but enjoy it and understand it. I think people in the US truly wan't to share freedom and prosperity with everyone else. Drawing a parallel between 13th century fundamentalism like we see in the MiddleEast today and US policies and beliefs is a wild stretch, the US has always tried to clean up world injustices like WW2, where everyone here at the time knew or was related to someone who has died in the war effort. You will hear some paranoid views from people here, but the solid (and silent) majority are well rounded, polite, and very productive people who can take your critisism easily and think you don't get it. The US and Bush did not fly those airplanes into the buildings, Bush is responding to the majority view.

You're right, Bush did not fly the airplanes on 9/11 but the Iraqui children who died under US bombing didn't either, right?

Fair point. We could bring Saddam and the life
those children could expect to live under him into this. We could also bring into this the terror networking in the MiddleEast which Saddam was part of which comes complete with masks(cowards), beheadings, gas, bombs, and potentially nukes, and also the fact that the whole Iraq war issue could be looked at from the perspective that it was unfinished business from the first Gulf War where Saddam did not comply with the agreement he signed, did not supply food to his people(including those same children), and instead made oil deals with our "allies" in Europe. All our politicians on both sides(including Kerry and Edwards) said Saddam should go. The UN politicians said he should go. Don't get me wrong, it is obvious to any human being that no war at all is the right answer, and that innocents take the brunt of it.
But if you say Bush kills babies in Iraq, why won't you mention Bin Laden killing innocents in New York? He bombed Embassys, ships, and who knows what else. Do you think he would stop after New York? Maybe the US agenda is more than just a simple "revenge attack" or a "you tried to kill my dad" attack. Maybe something has to be done to turn this around. That's what I think, as you may have guessed. I also think the Muslim fundamentalists are probably men of honor and values in their world, and I respect them. I just think they want to return to 13th century life where the man of the house rules, and that can't happen in the 21st century, we've come a little far for that. Nothing we talked about here has shed any new light for me on these issues but I appreciate the dialogue, we need to keep thinking. This forum started with Michael Moore and Farenheit 9-11, and I gotta say, he rubs me the wrong way, Europeans seem to relish the idea that all Americans as fat, spoiled and un-enlightened, so it seems to me that he plays right into that model. No wonder they love him! Adios.

Being against war does not mean being pro anything evil going on this world. Your entire coments seem to bring any issue arising in this world as justification for the current killing in Iraq. I am not anti American, I am anti war. Any war in this world and any terrorist attack costs lives and responding with even more bloodshed his not the right answer. If it would be the right answer, we would not have to pay big bucks to our world leaders. We could hire gorillas instead who will attack you if you attack them. Actually, they are even better than our governments. They at least fight themselves instead of sending others, and they never attack to get power or material wealth.

I reviewed my last remarks and need to make a correction. Not all Europeans love Michael Moore, just anti-American Europeans. My apologies to any level headed European I may have offended. By the way Silvia, where did that gorilla thing come from?